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Adapting Socratic Seminars for Elementary

With a few key modifications, teachers can make a complex academic discussion into an excellent learning opportunity for younger students.

April 18, 2025

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Socratic seminars are common in middle and high school, but at Barbara Morgan STEM Academy in Boise, Idaho, fourth-grade teacher Ricky Clark sees their value for much younger learners. His elementary students are well-versed in using a modified version of a Socratic seminar to build up their speaking skills and get practice in giving peer critique.

As with Socratic seminars in higher grade levels, the structure includes an inner circle and an outer circle. In this adapted version, the inner circle is given eight minutes to have an academic discussion. Clark has a list of prompts that he has developed with the other fourth-grade teachers on his team, and throughout that time, he moves students on to a new topic about every two minutes. The short chunks help keep the conversation on track and allow multiple opportunities for different students to participate.

At the same time, students in the outer circle have been assigned a person from the inner circle to observe. While the inner circle answers the prompts, students in the outer ring use an observation circle feedback sheet to note things like engagement in the discussion, eye contact, and relevance of the contributions. There is also a section of the sheet that asks if their designated participant missed any opportunities within the discussion. Once the eight minutes is up and the discussion is over, the outer circle shares their feedback with the inner circle, including what they did well and where they could improve.

Clark loves using Socratic seminars in elementary school because they bring benefits to everyone in the classroom. “I believe they’re building their confidence in having discussions. They can articulate their thoughts, they can become engaged, and they can give that feedback,” he says. “They can be critical and still be nice, knowing that it can be constructive.”

Schools That Work

Barbara Morgan STEM Academy

Public, Suburban
Grades K-5
Meridian, ID
  • For the past 3 years, 5th-grade ELA, math, and science results were consistently higher than in competitive districts and the state on Idaho’s Standards Achievement Test.
  • Earned STEM certification in 2018—and again in 2023—with scores higher than the averages of other schoolsreviewed by the accrediting organization.  
  • In the fall of 2024, 78% of students reached the top tier of proficiency on the Idaho Reading Indicator (IRI) scale, outperforming the state and district.

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6 Comments

  1. Alicia S

    May 4, 2025

    This method enhances students’ speaking and listening skills while promoting critical thinking, which is so important. It structures conversations into brief, focused segments and incorporates peer feedback through observation sheets. It’s an effective way to cultivate a collaborative classroom environment where students learn to articulate their ideas and engage respectfully with others, which is also important. It is so important that students engage in thoughtful discussions.  

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  2. BENRABAH N

    April 27, 2025

    Can teachers be trained to manage such classrooms ? And if so, how, Please?

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    1. Laura B
      Moderator

      May 1, 2025

      @BENRABAH N – If you are interested in learning how to teach students to have Socratic seminars, there are quite a few resources here: https://www.edutopia.org/search?query=Socratic%20Seminar.

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  3. Laura B

    April 18, 2025

    This is wonderful! It’s so great to see young students learning to participate in discussions this way, both as speakers and listeners, and then also offering feedback on how their classmates did. I wonder how long it takes the students to learn the process… That outer circle really needs to stay focused while the inner circle talks.

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      Laura T

      April 19, 2025

      @Laura B – You’re right- depending on who is in the outer circle, the teacher might need to offer more or less to do (or make sure that kids are matched up so the “observer” is paying attention to a student who will participate to an appropriate degree)  I wonder if having a student do a modified map (sort of a Harkness-ish thing) could be an option too?

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      1. Laura B

        April 19, 2025

        @Laura T – Ooh, I like that! So much more meaningful than seeing the teacher’s map.

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